PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION
UNAPPROVED
REGULAR MEETING
Session 08-03 a Regular Meeting of the Parks and Recreation
Advisory Commission was called to order at
PRESENT: COMMISSIONER
STEWART, BREMICKER, GARAY, TOLVA, LENTFER, GUNTHER
DICKERSON
STAFF: PLANNING
TECHNICIAN ENGEBRETSEN
DEPUTY
AGENDA APPROVAL
TOLVA/LENTFER – MOVE TO ADD UNDER
NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION OF THE TOWN CENTER VOTE AS ITEM D; UNDER VISITORS ADD PRESENTATION ON DISC
There was no discussion.
VOTE. YES. NON-OBJECTION. UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES
A.
TOLVA/GARAY – MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS
WRITTEN.
There was no discussion.
VOTE. YES. NON-OBJECTION. UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
Motion carried.
PUBLIC COMMENT UPON MATTERS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA (3 Minute Time Limit)
Commissioner
Bremicker arrived at
Beth Cumming, City Resident, thanked Planning Technician Engebretsen for her work on the two new resolutions and the Commissioners for their hard work. Ms. Cumming commented that if the resolutions were approved she wanted to suggest that they not be submitted right away to the City Council until they receive the report from the engineer. She believes that a field survey and fill estimate report would be beneficial to include with the submittal of the resolutions. She commented that the Committee should address the whole park and that the Little League people should be involved.
She addressed the advantages that the new Commissioners have by the work already done by the “old Commissioners, relatively speaking”; she believes that there is a wonderful skeleton in place to complete their work.
VISITORS
Commissioner
Gunther introduced Mr. Edan Badajos (pronounced Baa daa hōs), owner of The
Moose Pretzel, http://www.pdga.com/course/courses_by_city.php?id=2611,
a private disc golf course on
The
Commission explained about the article included in the previous month’s packet
in response to Commissioner Dickerson question regarding disc golf and the
presentation.
Mr.
Badajos thanked the Commission for the opportunity to tell them about disc
golf. Mr. Badajos moved to Homer from
Mr.
Badajos and his friends gave a brief exhibition of how to use the discs and
make a basket.
Mr.
Badajos proceeded to outline the object of the game, how the course is set up
and played. He distributed a handout that included more details regarding the
sport. He briefly touched on the following:
1.
Everyone
can play – low impact, economical activity that can be played by persons of all
ages and physical conditions.
2.
The game
can be played in natural areas as well as groomed lawns. In fact natural
obstacles in the game such as trees, water features, shrubbery
make the game more challenging.
3.
Disc Golf
tends to decrease undesirable activity in under utilized areas of a park or
public open space.
4.
A course
can be installed in as little as a week.
5.
Overall
costs for equipment for a basic 18-hole course costs less than $6700.00
including freight. Entire course can be installed for $20,000.00 or less.
6.
A Disc
Golf Course could be a revenue producer by attracting players from other areas
of the state and country and/or charging a nominal fee to use the course.
7.
A round
of disc golf usually takes 90 minutes to complete depending on the players and
the course.
8.
Disc Golf
is great for those that are not interested in team related sports. It can be
played on your own.
9.
It is
easily learned but takes a lifetime of challenge to master.
10.
It is
inexpensive to play; a single disc is under $10.00.
11.
A single
disc golf course can entertain ninety or more people at a time.
12.
You can
even make the baskets used in the game out of old tires and chain thus adding
your efforts to recycling and helping the environment.
13.
The
equipment requires little or no maintenance.
14.
It is a
sport that can be played all year long. Just put some snowshoes on in the
winter. Raincoat in the rain.
15.
Vandal
Proof! There is not much anyone can do to damage or destroy the baskets.
16.
There are
programs in place for schools. They have a website for more information, www.edgediscgolf.org
The
Commission expressed his or her keen interest in this sport and really liked
the idea that it is a low cost sport that everyone can enjoy. Mr. Badajos
answered a few questions from Commissioners regarding tees; course setup and
maintenance; feasibility of using Karen Hornaday Park for a disc golf course;
portable baskets available to rent for city events; school programs and
accessibility; age limit to play, there is none, the younger the better; rules
regarding dogs on course and reaction to the flying discs; the difference
between Frisbees and the discs used in the game; if caddies were customary;
where discs can be purchased; Mr. Badajos and friends showed great interest in
consulting and setting up a public course.
Commissioner
Tolva would like to have this on the agenda next month.
A.
April 2008 Staff Report
A.
Comprehensive Plan
B.
State of
Planning Technician Engebretsen
handed out a copy of the draft Comprehensive plan, Chapter 7. She gave a brief summary for the new
commissioners on what a Comprehensive Plan was; this will be submitted to the
Planning Commission for review and any comments this Commission has if they can
have them ready for the May meeting it will be an agenda item. She will then
submit in memo form to the Planning Commission.
The Commissioners were told to
scratch the information included in her staff report, there has been an update;
DOT will hold a meeting in early May to discuss construction of the East End
Road pathway on the North side of the road, but as the road extends it is
preferred to be on the South side of the road for drainage and maintenance
issues.
She has recently met with the new
regional planner for the Homer area and was informed those if they have
comments and want them tracked do not call DOT, email them or write them a
letter. This is the only format that can be used for them to address concerns
or problems. Planning Technician Engebretsen was not sure the dates and place
for the meeting but it should be advertised in the newspaper.
Planning Technician Engebretsen
noted that HB25, “An Act relating to landowners' immunity for
allowing use of land without charge for a recreational activity; relating to
landowners' liability where landowner conduct involves gross negligence or
reckless or intentional misconduct; relating to claims of adverse possession
and prescriptive easements, or similar claims; relating to public recreational use
easements to allow use of land for recreational activity and prohibiting fees
for recording those easements; and providing for an effective date."
was passed by the legislature which dealt with the property owner’s liability
regarding people using trails on their property without a formal easement or
permission. She received an email regarding the status of that bill.
For more information,
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_bill.asp?session=25&bill=HB25
The Commissioners were given a copy
of the Non-Motorized Roads and Trail Plan.
B. Karen
Hornaday Committee Report
Commissioner Garay gave a report on
the first Karen Hornaday Park Committee. She stated there were a large number
of public in attendance. She would like to see more user groups represented
such as softball and baseball. It was agreed by the Committee that to start the
upper trail they needed approval from City Council even though it can be
completed mostly using volunteer labor. Updating the Park Plan was also an
issue that should be addressed right away in order to address the drainage
issues and additional concerns. She reported that Ms. Cumming has retained the
volunteer services of an engineer regarding the parking lot.
Commissioner Dickerson inquired
about the status of the bridge that is not being used out on the Spit. Planning
Technician Engebretsen stated that the City Manager and Harbor Director are
aware of the interest but their concern is that it does have some value. There
were questions raised on how the Port will be paid for the bridge. It will have
to be discussed by the city administration.
Commissioner Garay noted that the
Committee spoke about the lower trail issues with the fill and parking lot.
Chair Stewart commented that it was
a very good meeting; he felt that there was a lot of energy and they still
needed to address the Park Plan and get that task completed.
Commissioner Gunther commented how
it was very interesting to learn the history of the park.
C.
Commissioner Bremicker apologized
for the lack of preparation; he assured the Commissioners he was more prepared
for the Council meeting. He then located his notes from the Council meeting and
finished his report.
He stated the Commission was
working on updating Karen Hornaday Park Plan; Reber Trail; looking at the CIP;
and they had a full commission.
Planning Technician Engebretsen
reported to the Commission that the Transportation Advisory Committee did
extensive work on changes to Road Criteria Manual and the Council turned them
down; the Council said no to any recommended changes; she expressed her opinion
that it was because the members of that Committee did not attend the Council meetings
to inform them what they were working on; she proceeded to use this as an
example of why the Commissioners must attend the Council meetings to give a
report on what the Parks & Rec Commission is working on.
None.
PENDING BUSINESS
A.
A. Woodard Creek Upper Trail
Improvements Resolution
B. Lower Woodard Creek Trail
Improvements and Parking
Chair Stewart stated he would
entertain a motion to discuss.
BREMICKER/TOLVA – MOVE TO DISCUSS
RESOLUTION 08-XX AMENDING THE KAREN HORNADAY
There was no discussion.
VOTE. YES. NON-OBJECTION. UNANIMOUS
CONSENT.
Motion carried.
Chair Stewart asked if everyone
has been to the site to familiarize him or her with the area. Commissioner
Lentfer commented that the discussion earlier seems to contradict what is
depicted in the map distributed during this meeting. Chair Stewart stated that
it is actually uphill from the parking lot. Ms. Cumming explained and using an
aerial picture explained that the proposed trail would not actually be next to
the creek since it has traveled eastward. The proposed trail will actually drop
down into the former creek bed approximately 13 feet (steps.) She proceeded to
describe the location of the dirt and encroachment of that dirt into the creek.
Mr. Robert Archibald, City Resident pointed at an area that provided a natural
contour for steps leading to the next phase.
Ms. Cumming proceeding to
describe the area further of the proposed trails while adding that someone has
now disposed of a shed and trash too. She added that removal of the fill would
allow space for the trail.
Commissioner Gunther commented
that the creek presents a barrier next or on the east side near the buildings –
Planning Technician Engebretsen explained that the residences and businesses
are not located within close proximity to the proposed trail.
Commissioner Bremicker stated
that the first thing City Council is going to ask about is financing. Ms.
Cumming stated there is a guarantee for funding on the upper trail.
There was further discussion on
the general path of the proposed trail, composition, and that using the
outdated photos was a bit inconvenient in giving an accurate description and
location.
Mr. Archibald commented that you
have to walk the area to get the sense of the proposed trail in the lower
portion.
Commissioner Bremicker clarified
that the upper part will not require any funding from the City. He asked what
the costs would be on the proposed lower trail. Ms. Cumming explained that the
engineer that is on the Friends of Karen Hornaday Park could get the surveying
donated by a licensed surveyor. Costs for the lower trail were not available at
this time.
Planning Technician Engebretsen
again cautioned the Commissioners to falling into the same trap that the
Mr. Archibald wanted to impart
that he is on the Board of the Kachemak Bay Conservation Society and they have
decided to take this project under their wing and solicit donations for them.
Chair Stewart responded that City Council designated a set amount of funds to
the Homer Foundation to distribute to non-profits through their grant program.
The Hockey Association elicited the recent additional funds approved by City
Council.
Commissioner Gunther requested
information on the process of the resolutions and if the Commission approves
them. Chair Stewart asked if they should submit the approved resolutions to
Council or should they wait until all the back up is obtained before submittal.
Planning Technician Engebretsen stated that it is not necessary to wait, but it
could be done that way.
Commissioner Tolva expressed that
she was in favor of approval for the first resolution but would like to add
another whereas clause on the second resolution for the lower trail
TOLVA/GARAY - MOVED TO ADD TO
RESOLUTION 08-XX KNOWN AS “1-B”, WHEREAS A FIELD SURVEY
She recommended that they include
the letter from Mr. Kinney as backup. The resolutions will be submitted to
Council prior to completion of the updated Master plan for Karen Hornaday.
There was no further discussion.
The amendment was approved by
consensus of the Commission.
TOLVA/DICKERSON - MOVED TO APPROVE
RESOLUTION 08-XX KNOWN TO THE PARKS
VOTE. YES.
BREMICKER, GARAY, DICKERSON, TOLVA, GUNTHER, STEWART
NO.
LENTFER.
Motion carried.
TOLVA/GARAY – MOVED TO APPROVE
RESOLUTION 08-XX KNOWN TO THE PARKS
VOTE. YES.
STEWART. GARAY, DICKERSON, GUNTHER, TOLVA, BREMICKER.
NO.
LENTFER.
Motion carried.
C.
Draft Scope of Work for Trail Design
Criteria Manual
TOLVA/GARAY – MOVED TO BRING TO THE
FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.
Commissioner Tolva reviewed the
purpose for the Design Criteria Manual. It will complement the Homer
Non-motorized and Trails Plan. She would like to see three tiers to be on the
safe side. She liked the footpath, the big trail and the in between trail. She
wants to accommodate for changes in the future and does not want to be
shortsighted.
Planning Technician Engebretsen
explained the Request for Proposal process briefly for the Commissioners.
Commissioner Tolva commented about the wording of the Request. That it was very
appropriate. Planning Technician Engebretsen stated that we are not trying to
reinvent the wheel that there are knowledgeable and talented people out there
who know this stuff and need to let them do it. Commissioner Tolva wanted to
express her desire to have experienced companies considered for the project. It
was explained that Staff could not call specific companies every company had
equal opportunity to submit a proposal and that the proposals must follow the
City’s standards and guidelines.
There was a brief discussion on the
uses for this manual. The Commission approved by Consensus on the Request for
Proposal and would like it to be forwarded to Public Works as soon as possible.
Chair Stewart called for a recess
at
NEW BUSINESS
A.
LENTFER/TOLVA – MOVE TO DISCUSS SPRING DAY WALK THROUGH.
There was no discussion.
VOTE. YES. NON-OBJECTION. UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
Motion carried.
Planning Technician Engebretsen wanted to recommend a worksession prior to the next meeting instead of a Saturday. She explained for the new Commissioners that the Commission typically picks a few parks to visit and review in detail what is needed at the parks in regards to existing park facilities, maintenance or to create new projects. She suggested a worksession before the June meeting also.
Chair
Stewart asked when they would like to schedule a Beach Walk Through as he would
preferably like to have it done prior to Memorial Day which is
Recommended Beaches and Parks to review and walk are:
1.
Beluga
2.
3. WR Bell
4. Jack Gist
Chair
Stewart reminded the Commissioners that this did require advertisement and will
need two weeks notice. The commission discussed possible dates and even considered
a Sunday afternoon between
Discussion developed on the WR Bell Park and the location of the gravesite.
B. Beach Patrol/Enforcement Aides Activities
TOLVA/BREMICKER – MOVED TO DISCUSS THE BEACH PATROL/ENFORCEMENT AIDE ACTIVITIES.
There was a brief discussion regarding the perceived complaints regarding incidents with rude drivers on the Beach; the pamphlet that the HPD was distributing; which areas were restricted and open to vehicles; local and visitor offenders; which offenses could be ticketed; it was questioned how enforcement was to be conducted. It was agreed that it was a good start at solving the problems. A question was brought up regarding the effect of vehicles including the ATV’s on the vegetation and marine life.
C. Park Day
TOLVA/GUNTHER – MOVED TO DISCUSS PARK DAY.
There was no discussion.
VOTE. YES. NON-OBJECTION. UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
Motion carried.
Commissioner Tolva gave a brief review of what was
provided last year on Park Day. It was noted that it was not well attended,
which was probably due to the weather. Chair Stewart asked if
Mr. Archibald suggested contacting the Equestrian
Association to see they would donate their facilities for Park Day as an
alternate site. The Commission was reminded that they must decide on the date
before approaching anyone regarding donations for Park Day. The Commissioners
discussed the available dates and decided on
There was no further discussion.
D.
Commissioner
Tolva wanted to bring this forward to keep on the agenda and discuss the green
space within
It was agreed by consensus to put this on the May agenda.
INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS
A.
Strategic Plan
B.
Council Meeting Schedule
C.
Parks & Recreation Annual
Calendar 2008
COMMENTS OF THE
AUDIENCE
Mr.
Dave Brann, City Resident, thanked the Commissioners they really seem to have a
full plate. He confirmed that HB 25 did pass and there were a few amendments,
he does not recall all of them but this one amendment, you must record your
property with the
He
answered questions from the Commission regarding the trail location and bridge
replacement for the Dimond Creek Trail, which crosses the Raven’s Way Bridge,
down to the Highway, across the Highway and then down to the Beach. Future
direction could encompass the demonstration forest and Reber Trail.
Any
person or organization can organize a Trail’s Day event. If they register their
event with the National Hiking Association you can get free advertisement for
the event and get the PR Kit.
Commissioner
Gunther clarified that HB 25 is only effective if the land is registered with
the
Mr.
Archibald commended the Commissioners on their work; he proceeded to comment on
etiquette involving horses, bikes, and pedestrians. He believes there should be
an age restriction on drivers of ATV’s; and loud horns.
COMMENTS OF THE STAFF
Planning Technician Engebretsen had no comments.
Deputy City Clerk Krause had no comments.
COMMENTS OF THE
COMMISSION
Commissioner
Lentfer was scheduled for the May Council meetings and she requested some
assistance with the three points she was required to bring up for Council. What
should she bring up if she attends the May 12th meeting? Park Day,
Resolutions will be forthcoming; Karen Hornaday. If she attends the May 27th
meeting she can tell them about the Park Walk Through.
Commissioner Tolva thanked staff for their hard work, she would like to see them add proper horse etiquette; more brochures needed for wider distribution; Planning Technician Engebretsen requested she email a list of where she would like the brochures sent.
Commissioners Bremicker, Garay and Gunther had no comment.
Commissioner
Dickerson asked about the grant that is available to attend the seminar.
Planning Technician Engebretsen requested the Commissioner to call her to get
the phone number.
Chair
Stewart thanked everyone and commented it was a productive meeting. He
apologized for missing so many but he is back now. He was happy to see a full
commission.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission
Chair Stewart adjourned the meeting at 9:20 p.m., A Worksession is scheduled
for 5:30 p.m. at the Islands and Ocean parking lot for a Beach & Park
Spring Walk Through and the next regular meeting is at
Renee Krause, Deputy City Clerk I
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